the problem is they are already facing a huge deficit that is already getting a lot worse. 76,000 latinos turn 18 every month. so they don't have a choice. the question is you have -- people who maybe think obviously we're going to suffer in the short-term but let's play this long game. let's start turning things around so maybe in eight or 12 years we can be competitive with latinos again. >> john: exactly. >> and then you have the fake reformer, who i think is rubio, they want to sort of legalize in a sense the undocumented immigrants but they don't want to vote. so we're not going to trigger the citizenship requirement. and that's just to create latinos that don't vote. >> john: exactly. some of the moderate republicans might be on the right track. because they are not a monolithic voting block. there is a lot of diversity, and a lot of catholicism and in spite of the fact that they have these tremendous demographic, the party keeps choose toes alienate these folks. >> that's true. the median age of a native-born latino is 18. that's why it has this incredible growth potential. in 2012